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Good day, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie, from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the tip. And this podcast is all about a tremendous story of overcoming most cancers and in addition about sexual well being and biohacking. I’m right here with Dr. Cabell Bawa, who’s a Board Licensed doctor and founding father of Bawa Medical and Chief Medical Officer on the New Wave. She is dedicated to her philosophy of rejuvenation from the within out. And on this episode, she shares her story of overcoming breast most cancers and in addition changing into a magnificence queen. And the explanation that she truly did that and the way she used that platform to indicate her scars and to indicate her hair loss and all of the issues that got here alongside along with her most cancers prognosis and to deliver consciousness. She additionally talks quite a bit about some taboo subjects. we discuss sexual well being fairly a bit and a few actually shocking statistics on well being and hormones associated to each women and men, and the way these change over time and with age, and in addition methods to assist enhance them. So, undoubtedly, a fact-packed episode, her story is actually unbelievable. And with out additional ado, let’s be part of her.
Katie: Dr. Bawa, welcome, and thanks for being right here.
Dr. Bawa: Thanks for having me.
Katie: I’m so excited to listen to extra about your story and your experience as a result of it looks like you’ve got each private {and professional} expertise in a few areas which are extraordinarily relevant to lots of people proper now. However to begin broad, I’ve learn that you’ve a very, actually attention-grabbing and wonderful story about overcoming most cancers, which as we all know, statistically is on the rise proper now and, sadly, many individuals will obtain a prognosis of sooner or later of their lives. After which not solely overcoming that, however turning that into one thing actually stunning and empowering and wonderful. So can we begin by studying a bit extra about you and your story?
Dr. Bawa: Sure. Thanks a lot for that. I used to be misdiagnosed with my breast most cancers for nearly three years. I initially found my lump once I was nonetheless in my late 30s and my gynecologist tried to blow me off and inform me that I actually didn’t meet conventional danger elements, that I used to be nonetheless not 40, insurance coverage wouldn’t cowl it. And I used to be a bit perplexed as a result of I believed it was concerning the affected person, not the, you realize, the numbers. So it took loads of convincing. I did get a mammogram, however then they misinterpret it. They obtained an ultrasound, however they misinterpret that too. And this occurred for a number of years in a row. So lastly, I insisted that there was one thing very improper. They thought I used to be neurotic, and it was okay. I didn’t actually care at that time. I knew one thing was improper and I needed to be an advocate for myself.
So at that time, I ended up going to a distinct hospital. I ended up going to the College of Miami Sylvester Most cancers Institute, and I can truthfully say that the medical doctors there saved my life. So if we get nothing else from our time collectively, I need girls and even males to know that once they really feel that there’s one thing improper with them, that they have to insist and to not take it mendacity down, to not let anyone inform them that they’re being loopy, that they’re being hypochondriacs. When you realize you now. And nevertheless, you realize, this occurred to me and whereas this was not one thing that I anticipated, I had a selection. I may let most cancers defeat me or I may make it about one thing greater than myself. So, I, of all issues, determined to affix a magnificence pageant. Now you might marvel why at age 43, I felt the necessity to be part of a magnificence pageant. It’s as a result of I discovered as a most cancers affected person that my fellow most cancers sufferers had given up on themselves. They felt that most cancers was going to defeat them. And I truthfully consider that should you assume it can defeat you, it completely will. You might be proper someway.
So for me, I used to be by no means going to undergo most cancers. It needed to be about making one thing good come out of one thing horrible. And so, I made a decision to affix Miss Florida to encourage most cancers sufferers to dwell their greatest life regardless of most cancers. To indicate them that pleasure mustn’t finish, and that they’re no much less stunning, even when they’ve scars, even when they lose their hair. So, I went on stage 4 weeks or so after my mastectomy. I had my scar seen, I refused to cowl it with make-up. It could have been straightforward to take action, however it was a matter of precept. I additionally went on stage with no extensions and no wig. I purchased a wig, I simply couldn’t deliver myself to put on it as a result of I needed to talk my fact. And once I gained Miss Florida, it was a giant win, not only for me, however for most cancers sufferers and people present process adversity of any form. So, in so some ways, you realize, my story has been discovered to be inspirational for that, and I’m very joyful as a result of that’s what that is about.
Katie: That’s wonderful. And two issues actually stood out to me in that. The primary being the significance of advocating for ourselves relating to medical care. And I had an identical expertise in a a lot much less ominous prognosis, however I, for years, knew one thing was improper and would go to medical doctors and ask for assessments. And I suspected it was my thyroid. And equally was advised, “Effectively, you’re not in a high-risk group. All of this stuff are regular postpartum. Your ranges are wonderful.” They usually had been solely testing, after all, sure ranges. And I needed to advocate for myself for a few years with a number of medical doctors to lastly get a prognosis that then helped me recuperate. And also you hear about this quite a bit within the medical world. And sadly, it looks like it usually occurs extra to girls than males actually because I feel many research are executed on males as a result of they’re simpler to check.
However I feel…I’m so glad you introduced that up as a result of I feel the perfect outcomes, and also you would possibly agree from a health care provider’s perspective, occur when you’ve got a affected person who’s invested and well-informed and advocating for themselves, and in addition eager to work with a practitioner as a accomplice in bettering their very own well being. And the opposite factor you mentioned that I feel is so vital on this and in truthfully, each space of life is that mindset piece. And the concept should you assume one thing will defeat you, it can. And in addition if in case you have a constructive mindset, that goes such a great distance towards the restoration. How vital do you assume that mindset piece was for you and for different individuals in the identical state of affairs?
Dr. Bawa: I like what you mentioned as a result of so many medical doctors should not testing you totally, even when they do check you. And I’m so joyful that you just had been an advocate for your self and also you discovered what was improper. And so far as mindset is worried, mindset in my case was the whole lot. And this may occasionally appear dramatic, however it is a true incident. I had some issues throughout my most cancers remedy and I used to be in my chemotherapy suite. My blood ranges had been tanking for lack of a greater phrase to say it. And one in all my nurses began to cry. She simply felt horrible for me that I used to be taking two steps ahead and 5 steps again it appeared each time we rotated. And once I noticed tears in her eyes, I consoled her and I mentioned to her, “It’s okay. It actually is. I will probably be wonderful. And never solely am I going to be wonderful, in just some months, I’m going to be Miss Florida.” And she or he laughed as she cried. And that is an honest-to-goodness story. This actually occurred.
And I needed to clarify to her that I used to be not going there for a participation medal, I used to be in it to win it as a result of it was not value doing if it was not value doing totally and properly. So, I hope that my story has despatched a bigger message to individuals normally about mindset, about perseverance. And I feel that if I didn’t have that mindset, if I didn’t have that perseverance, I don’t know that I might have made it so far as I did and had the end result I did as a result of a lot of most cancers is miserable. I’m not saying that there wasn’t any despair on my finish, there was. I selected to not dwell on it. So I feel that’s the primary factor.
Katie: And I additionally love that you just reframed that and didn’t disguise from the struggles or attempt to cowl the scars of that and let that truly be an outward, like, witness to your struggles in order that it may open a dialog about that. I feel usually in society, there are such…very outlined requirements of what female magnificence seems to be like and that stress to really feel good and to not have scars and to not have something that’s not thought of, you realize, bodily good. And possibly by doing that, you gave girls freedom to be who they really are in so some ways, and to not have to keep up this phantasm of perfection. And from what I’ve learn, additionally that was a big a part of your purpose for competing as properly is that you just had been capable of shine a highlight on different most cancers sufferers and on that as properly, proper? You used your platform to deliver loads of consciousness there as properly.
Dr. Bawa: Completely. I spoke on stage about how I used to be misdiagnosed. I needed to boost consciousness for most cancers misdiagnosis, in addition to inform most cancers sufferers that life doesn’t finish with a most cancers prognosis, that there’s a lot stuff to sit up for. Now, happening stage and the costume I selected and with the hair and make-up I selected was a press release. I didn’t select a costume that lined my chest. I may have. There are a lot of robes I may have worn which are completely stunning that didn’t present my scars, that didn’t present my uneven breast dimension. However I went on stage as is. I used to be utterly uneven. Issues had not been finalized but with my second surgical procedure. I nonetheless haven’t had it, however I didn’t let that govern my selection of costume. This was about, once more, one thing greater than myself. So, I went there with my uneven cleavage, my scar seen, and quick hair with some areas that had been extra thinning than others. And this was vital to me as a result of I don’t need individuals to assume that most cancers just isn’t stunning. Most cancers is simply as stunning as the rest. And I feel that that was a vital message to ship to the world. And I feel it’s a message that resonated. My win redefined magnificence after most cancers.
Katie: And I can solely think about how to start with overwhelming a most cancers prognosis should really feel. And I hear from individuals, sadly, like I mentioned, most cancers appears to be on the rise throughout the board, who obtain a prognosis and, you realize, overwhelmed and marvel the place to even begin in search of sources. So I’m curious if there have been issues that had been useful to you in establishing that mindset piece whenever you had been going by way of that and/or that helped you realize issues to do to bodily assist your self by way of that course of and to ensure your physique was nourished and capable of recuperate?
Dr. Bawa: You realize, it’s attention-grabbing how life labored out for me. I used to be not likely…as a part of my medical follow, I based and owned Bawa Medical in Boca Raton. It’s a wellness and rejuvenation-based follow. After I began this, once I conceived this follow, I used to be not pondering of most cancers. I used to be not pondering of what a most cancers affected person wants for assist but paradoxically, my life took that path. So, in my case, I used to be very fortunate. I didn’t must go exterior to look for lots of the issues I wanted. I may do IV remedy in my very own workplace as a result of I discovered it useful. Additionally, chemotherapy is so nauseating, you’ll be able to’t eat properly, your dietary stage goes down at some extent whenever you want the next dietary stage to battle that illness, to battle that chemo as a result of chemo is doing fairly a quantity on you, it’s a poison, basically. You want it. I extremely suggest it. It saved my life, however it’s a poison. Let’s not overlook that. So, how do you counteract that? I had IV remedy.
The opposite factor that occurs with most cancers is hair loss. I’m a hair restoration specialist. So I used to be very fortunate in that sense that I used to be capable of do hair restoration inside my follow as a result of I really feel that most cancers hair loss is misunderstood. A lot of it’s about hair restoration the place in so many instances, it ought to be about hair loss prevention. No person thinks of it that manner, even my very own mates mentioned I used to be being ridiculous that I ought to settle for it gracefully. They advised me I used to be being, you realize, very superficial. And I mentioned, “It’s not about being superficial. It’s about combating it when you’ll be able to battle it.” When I’ve instruments, why not use them? So I did a bunch of various issues in my follow and I by no means went bald regardless of very sturdy chemotherapy. The chemotherapy I underwent was a mix of Taxol and Adriamycin and Cytoxan. To anyone who does most cancers therapies or has gone by way of most cancers therapies, they know the way sturdy that chemotherapy routine is but I by no means got here near being bald. I misplaced the size, by no means the precise hair, you realize, on my head. So did that.
I additionally did pores and skin therapies at my very own follow as a result of chemotherapy causes loads of pores and skin harm and hyperpigmentation. So irrespective of how a lot sunscreen I used, I nonetheless had loads of pores and skin harm. So, loads of that I discovered I used to be uniquely positioned to assist myself. So this isn’t a plug for my follow in any manner. You requested how I obtained by way of it, a lot of it’s due to what I do for a dwelling anyway. Now, how different individuals would get by way of it, I extremely suggest that they attain out to their oncologist, ask for the sources close to them. Possibly there’s a follow like me close to them. Possibly there may be any person who can assist them save their hair. Possibly there may be somebody who can assist them with wellness and IVs and, you realize, serving to them with chemo-related pores and skin adjustments and issues like that. As a result of, you realize, it’s very miserable whenever you look within the mirror and also you don’t appear to be your self anymore. It’s not about being superficial, you virtually don’t acknowledge who you’re. And there’s one thing to be mentioned for making an attempt to keep up what you’ll be able to of your self by way of all of it.
I imply, there was some extent I had no eyebrows and no eyelashes. So I made a decision it was about mindset. I didn’t need to settle for that. So, I truly went out and developed a product to develop lashes and brows that’s wholesome, that doesn’t change your eye colour and do harm to the pores and skin round your eyes. As a result of a lot of what’s on the market also can do harm. Individuals don’t discuss it. Like Latisse, does it work? Completely. However it may well trigger some adjustments within the colour of your eye, for example. No person talks about that a part of it. So I made a decision that most cancers was going to be one thing that simply was constructive in each manner for me. So I even went and developed a pure product that I now have in my follow for that. So, a lot of that, you realize, I used to be so fortunate, however I do suggest that they attain out to social staff, they attain out to assist teams, and in my case, to mates. My household doesn’t dwell right here. My household’s abroad. So my mates had been my tribe. They had been those who helped me by way of all of it. My buddy, Carmen, picked me up from chemo each single time. She simply took it upon herself. You realize, it takes a village. I used to be very fortunate to have a really supportive village.
Katie: That’s stunning. And I feel that additionally illustrates what appears to be a false dichotomy that typically occurs relating to most cancers remedy or any type of medical remedy. It looks like usually there’s a rigidity between the traditional mannequin and the issues you’ll want to do medically and the wellness facet. And it looks like the perfect outcomes truly occur when somebody is ready to entry all of these issues, that it’s not an both/or, however very a lot a each/and. And that you are able to do issues which are supportive of your physique and in addition supportive of hopefully, the method of remedy and serving to your physique recuperate extra rapidly. However that’s a very unbelievable story that hopefully provides hope to anybody else who would possibly, sadly, be in the identical state of affairs. And also you talked about your follow, I’d like to delve into a few completely different areas right here as a result of I do know you’re employed with individuals in a wide range of other ways.
However one other space I hear quite a bit from girls about proper now and I ponder if COVID could be a contributing issue right here, however is sexual wellness. And it looks like there is a rise in sexual-related issues or simply libido and sexual satisfaction, particularly in girls. I don’t know if that is present or should you’ve perhaps seen this for a very long time. So I’m curious should you’re comfy sharing, should you had any of these struggles whenever you went by way of your chemo journey, but in addition the ways in which you assist deal with that in your sufferers.
Dr. Bawa: Sure. Now, vaginal well being is one thing I’m very captivated with. I do loads of intimate wellness for each women and men at my follow, and chemo and most cancers therapies, most cancers medicines, even after chemo may cause loads of adjustments in a lady’s hormonal stability. It threw me into menopause. So, you realize, there’s quite a bit that goes improper with most cancers and with ageing, normally. In my case, it was simply amplified due to the most cancers. However vaginal well being is one thing that may be very ignored. Ladies take higher care of their automobiles than they do their vaginas, sadly. And I’m right here once more as an advocate for good vaginal well being. And like I mentioned about hair loss relating to most cancers, why are we reacting? Why are we not stopping? I’m all about prevention as a substitute of remedy. So, I encourage girls to come back get vaginal rejuvenation at a youthful age. So lots of my sufferers say, “Effectively, I’m not that unhealthy but.” And I’m telling you, it makes my head spin as a result of I need to clarify to girls all over the world that they should handle themselves sooner.
In case you deal with the issue earlier, youthful, you’ve got higher outcomes long-term. Your vagina will age in a different way. It’s not simply your face that’s ageing, it’s your vagina as properly. So I’m very large in my follow on FemiWave. It’s acoustic wave remedy, actually utilizing sound waves to deliver higher blood circulation into your vaginal space, normally, not simply your clitoris, your labia, your pelvic ground, all of it wants good blood circulation. So this breaks down blockages and blood vessels like plaques. You realize, it’s not simply your coronary heart and the arteries in your coronary heart which have blockages as you grow old, blood vessels all over the place develop blockages. So that is to advertise good, wholesome blood circulation. And that makes your pelvic ground stronger, which is one other factor that goes with age and childbirth and the whole lot else. I’m not saying that we’re curing incontinence, we’re definitely making a giant stride in direction of minimizing it with this.
So I like to recommend it to girls of all ages. It additionally makes girls extraordinarily orgasmic, which is only a fantastic plus level with it. So, we do O-Photographs at our follow, however we additionally do FemiWave due to the fantastic, fantastic results we’ve with it. And there’s little question, and that’s the fantastic thing about it. We do vaginal laser rejuvenation as properly at my follow with CO2. Now I’m not by any means saying something unfavourable about CO2, there’s a time and place for it. However I discover that FemiWave is one thing that helps girls throughout the board. I truthfully have an issue making an attempt to even let you know as a lady it won’t work. And you realize what? Usually the query is, “Who will it assist?” I feel the query with FemiWave is completely different, “Who will it not assist?” And I truthfully can’t consider anybody it wouldn’t assist in some form or type. In order that’s one thing that I’m very joyful to be doing. And we at the moment are a middle of excellence with each FemiWave for girls and GAINSWave for males. And I really feel that we’re doing a lot good to society, normally, by serving to individuals this fashion.
Katie: So that you talked about that like that ageing course of occurs there as properly, particularly simply as part of regular ageing. And I do know girls report extra pelvic ground points, particularly after childbirth, which makes full sense as a result of there’s some intense trauma that may occur throughout childbirth for lots of girls. And I assume that this additionally impacts the sexual expertise fairly a bit and sexual well being that manner. Are there different elements, like for example, you talked about that that type of pulled you into menopause? I do know menopause usually impacts sexual well being for girls. Are this stuff that you just do in your workplace capable of assist type of deal with the, like, sexual satisfaction facet of that even after menopause for girls?
Dr. Bawa: Sure. What I do may be very complete. I really feel the completely different elements of what I do are very synergistic with one another. For example, I don’t simply do hormone alternative, I prefer to name it hormone balancing as a result of there’s an imbalance in lots of elements of our life as we age, as we battle completely different illnesses. In my case, it was most cancers, however in your case it’s thyroid illness. It’s no much less traumatic to your system. So I attempt to optimize well being. I attempt to optimize wellness, normally. So I prefer to take my sufferers and see them as the larger image, not only one a part of what I’m doing. So I might optimize your hormones. I might optimize your vitamin and your metabolic state of affairs with IV remedy. I might do, you realize, GAINSWave should you’re a person, I do FemiWave should you’re a lady. These are issues that assist everybody. I can’t think about supplying you with a subset that it will not assist. In some form or type, it can assist everybody. After which I fine-tune it additional. Does any person want, you realize, for example, a vaginal laser? We are able to all the time do this. Do the lads want some type of treatment? We are able to do this. So I feel that this needs to be seen as a much bigger image and never bits and items.
Katie: I agree. It looks like the perfect outcomes in any realm occur whenever you deal with the physique as an entire and work and assist its pure processes versus countering them. In that realm, are there issues that you just discovered useful personally or that you just suggest to your sufferers that they will do at dwelling which are supportive, whether or not it’s sure dietary practices? I do know prefer it looks like sleep and hydration are throughout the board all the time good suggestions. I’m but to have anybody in 500 friends on this podcast say sleep just isn’t vital and hydration doesn’t matter, however are there stuff you encourage your sufferers to do to assist enhance the consequences of those therapies and in addition that had been useful to you whenever you had been going by way of your journey?
Dr. Bawa: After all, mindset was the primary factor for me. I felt that something I may do to calm my thoughts was useful. I feel meditation is underrated. I don’t assume that it’s a must to sit for an hour and, you realize, stare on the house to meditate. I feel meditation may be various things to completely different individuals. The concept is to calm your thoughts. If that’s by taking a stroll, if that’s by listening to a bit of music you discover soothing. It doesn’t matter what it’s, I feel you’ll want to calm your thoughts and discover stability inside your self above all. After which I feel that hydration is an excellent factor. As you talked about, hydration is a primary factor. In case you are not hydrated, then nothing works properly. Your pores and skin, your well being, normally, nothing works properly with out hydration. Nutritionally, I’m not telling you it’s a must to eat natural, it’s not all the time possible, however no matter you’re consuming, I do suggest making an attempt your greatest to have a extra inclusive weight loss plan, extra fruit and veggies, not taking any group out of your weight loss plan.
For example, chemo can result in loads of weight achieve. It’s a fallacy when individuals assume that every one most cancers sufferers drop pounds. Some achieve. I did. So I feel the thought is to not say that, “Oh, let me do keto. I’ll drop pounds,” or let me do that or that, I’ll drop pounds. I feel a balanced, nutritious diet with wise parts is vital. It’s a boring factor to say, I do know. There’s nothing dramatic about what I’m saying, however that’s vital. Steadiness is vital in each side. After which, after all, I feel when you could find a health care provider close to you who can assist you with the issues that helped me. I used to be fortunate, I occurred to be doing this anyway. All I needed to do was come to work and, you realize, all of this was obtainable to me, however hunt down practitioners who consider in a holistic lifestyle, who’ve of their follow one thing that may aid you. Now, sexually, for example, we’ve talked about FemiWave. In case you are someplace the place you don’t have a FemiWave supplier, we also have a gadget. In the event that they contact us, we will all the time ship it to them. It’s an at-home intimate wellness gadget that makes use of the identical idea of sound wave expertise and makes use of sound waves to interrupt up blockages and produce good blood circulation into the vaginal space. It’s not as sturdy as what we do within the workplace, however it’s a beautiful adjunct for some other remedy or the rest you’re doing in your life. In case you can’t get to us personally, at the very least use this at dwelling. It is extremely useful.
Katie: And I’m curious should you can converse to perhaps in simply generalities or perhaps particular instances with out utilizing figuring out particulars, however what sort of causes individuals usually want these sorts of therapies? Like, I feel most individuals perhaps don’t notice that you just see these type of blockages in all tissue, not simply in your coronary heart, like individuals perceive in that stage. However it will seem to be growing blood circulation can be a reasonably dramatic shift. What sort of outcomes do individuals sometimes see?
Dr. Bawa: Oh my goodness, I’ve a YouTube channel, Bawa Medical, and one of many movies I posted nearly every week in the past is a couple of gentleman who is sort of 69. His girlfriend is 4 months older than him and so they’re having the perfect intercourse of their lives. They’ve each had therapies from us. The gents had GAINSWave and he says that, you realize, they’re having intercourse at the very least as soon as a day, if not twice a day. And typically they’ve nooners. That to me is inspirational for anyone half his age, not to mention any person who’s virtually 70 years outdated. So are we seeing outcomes? We’re completely seeing outcomes. We’re altering lives. What we do is transformational. At my follow, I’m giving them a brand new lease on life. It doesn’t matter what age you’re. In case you have an issue, there’s no level in denying it, settle for it, discover assist, and dwell your greatest life. Are you aware that 20% of males of their 20s undergo from erectile dysfunction? No person thinks that the 20s may deliver dysfunction, however it’s completely true. It’s a identified reality throughout the scientific neighborhood that 20% of males of their 20s have it, 30% of their 30s, 40% of their 40s. It simply goes up about 10% per decade of life.
Now, such as you mentioned, we don’t all the time have these research in girls. There’s a glass ceiling for girls and never simply within the workforce, sadly. We are sometimes blown off, we’re referred to as histrionic, hysterical, you realize, hysteria, the idea of hysteria, you realize, whenever you look again at how the time period started, it’s very denigrating to girls. So I’m not right here to say that…you realize, I’m not right here for a girls’s lib dialogue, I’m simply right here to say that women, we don’t all the time have the research for us, we don’t all the time have the statistics for us, however now we’ve choices and we must always go make the most of them. Do that for yourselves. Get some assist. There’s assist on the market.
Katie: And I do know that it’s been a comparatively dramatic shift, these decline in hormone ranges and the rise in ED, even in younger males. And I do know we see low testosterone, even in younger males. I’ve even seen some statistics that males usually may have a 3rd of the testosterone their grandfathers did on the similar age. And to me, that speaks to the truth that we all know that we’ve had large environmental adjustments which are resulting in a few of these issues. Our meals provide has modified. So now it turns into vital to be extra proactive. When we’ve extra unfavourable inputs that we’ve to take care of, we’ve to turn out to be extra proactive in counteracting these issues. And to circle again to what you mentioned too about weight loss plan as properly, and consuming a balanced, nutritious diet and never coming from a spot of deprivation, I feel that’s one thing that uniquely impacts girls extra as properly due to weight loss plan tradition and due to a few of these issues we talked about early on.
And it looks like many ladies battle with the mindset of with the ability to nourish their our bodies sufficient and with the ability to eat sufficient different meals to actually truly assist our physique. So I like that you just introduced that up as a result of that’s one thing I’ve mentioned on right here earlier than is we’ve to shift that mindset once more, with mindset being so vital away from like meals is unhealthy. There’s guilt connected to meals. I have to weight loss plan and be thinner, to I like and settle for my physique, how can I nourish it to one of the simplest ways doable? How do I assist it? How do I assist its pure processes of detoxing, of anti-aging? Our our bodies are so unbelievable in what they will do, they only want a bit bit extra assist in at the moment’s world as a result of they’re dealing with greater than they’ve up to now.
Dr. Bawa: Completely. Now, I hope I can contact on…you mentioned so many fantastic issues. I want I used to be writing as a result of… And I’m going to return as soon as we document this and really discuss this alone social media platforms as a result of what you mentioned is profound. Now you introduced up dropping testosterone ranges. Are you aware that sleep deprivation in males is inflicting decrease fertility, decrease testosterone ranges? Once more, that’s one thing individuals don’t discuss. It’s not a horny subject, however it’s true. Sleep deprivation is inflicting that. Now you mentioned earlier about…you mentioned one thing easy, you mentioned, I do know that sleep and hydration are quite simple. Sure, they’re easy, however they’re so profound. In case you don’t get sufficient sleep, you’ve got decrease fertility. So when you’ve got decrease fertility, that impacts so many various elements of your life, and that’s only one instance of what sleep deprivation does.
So then you definately talked about, you realize, different adjustments which are taking place, different issues which are taking place with tradition, the place we’re made to really feel lower than. Now, I used to be a dimension 0-2 once I was recognized with most cancers, I’m in all probability a dimension 6 proper now. And I’m not being arduous on myself. I’m not depriving myself. Don’t get me improper, I’m not consuming your entire bread basket. But when I need a slice of bread, I’m consuming it. I’m not consuming a ton of alcohol, but when I’d like a glass of wine, I’m permitting myself a glass of wine sometimes. I feel we have to be kinder to ourselves as girls and as males. I feel society may be very powerful on us. I feel there’s this entire idea of superficial magnificence. And that’s why I went to Miss Florida as a result of I used to be combating that idea of conventional magnificence. I went at my heaviest. I went once I was nonetheless swollen from my mastectomy. I used to be nonetheless, you realize, coping with fluid retention. I feel the idea of magnificence must be modified. Magnificence must be present in no matter stage you’re in. And it’s not about others making you are feeling stunning, that feeling wants to come back from inside.
I perceive that society must be kinder to individuals going by way of struggles. I get that. And that’s a given. However that energy wants to come back from inside us. While you look in that mirror, you’ll want to see somebody stunning, somebody sturdy, somebody who has persevered. We now have all gone by way of struggles in life. We’re all winners in our personal manner. I could have gone to medical college. I could put on an extended white coat. My successes are completely different than your successes. We’re the one ones who know what a hero we’re and we have to really feel that. That’s what I need to do, encourage individuals to feeling and being their greatest. It wants to come back from inside actually.
Katie: Yeah, I agree. That was an vital mindset shift for me as a result of such as you, I struggled with the bodily adjustments of thyroid illness and simply of getting six infants in 9 years. It was quite a bit for my physique to course of. And the mindset piece, I’ve talked about this a bit bit earlier than on this podcast, however issues didn’t actually begin shifting bodily till I addressed that mindset piece. And once I may have a look at the mirror and discover love and acceptance for myself, it grew to become a lot simpler to function from a spot of nourishing my physique as a substitute of combating it and loving it as a substitute of depriving it. And that made all the distinction. I feel you’re proper, that like that magnificence has to come back and that appreciation and that love and acceptance and pleasure has to come back from inside. And as girls, that additionally provides us the power to be that for different individuals as properly. However it may well’t come from a spot of not having it for us to start with. And a few extra notes I had on my present notes I wanna be sure we contact on, I’ve learn and heard about girls affected by one thing referred to as anorgasmia, which appears to be on the rise as properly. Are you able to clarify why that’s taking place? And whether it is on the rise, why you assume it could be on the rise proper now, after which how girls can deal with that?
Dr. Bawa: There are a lot of the reason why girls are having issues orgasming. For one, I don’t know that many people notice that solely 18% of girls can orgasm from vaginal intercourse, from the penetration itself. So there are various things at play right here. One, we have to make our companions conscious that oral stimulation or exterior stimulation is extra vital. We have to have higher vaginal well being, normally. Like I mentioned, we have to deliver higher blood circulation into the world to get up our nerves, to get up our blood vessels. I feel individuals who have anorgasmia or who’ve painful intercourse…these are two completely different points. Some individuals are having painful intercourse. Some individuals are not having painful intercourse, however they’re getting nowhere when they’re having intercourse. There are a lot of parts to this. So I feel wellness as an entire is gonna contribute to it after which schooling that there’s a drawback. It’s okay to have that drawback. And it’s okay to talk about that drawback. While you deal with it together with your physician and also you inform your physician, “Pay attention, I’ve no sensation. I’m not getting there,” then I feel there are a couple of vital parts to this.
That you must converse to a therapist. There are therapists who specialise in sexual remedy and sexual wellness, and so they can assist you with this. In the case of the physique itself, there are medical doctors like me who do FemiWave, who do hormone balancing, who will aid you with the O-Shot and make you extra orgasmic. So there are completely different instruments that you’ll want to assist your self with. Once more, it’s not only one factor, I want there was only one factor, however there are a number of issues you are able to do to assist your self. They usually all contribute. I feel all of them work collectively higher synergistically and any one in all them by themselves. So I feel there’s quite a bit on the market. We simply have to get that assist.
Katie: And I feel having the dialog, I do know like several sexual well being subject is a bit bit taboo and, like, I feel it raises eyebrows each time I discuss it on right here, however I feel the dialog can also be crucial as a result of we all know that that’s tied into general well being. And to your level, I feel it is a subject that’s not talked about sufficient, particularly for girls. We definitely see all of the commercials for all of these points for males. And it looks like when males have a battle with that, it turns into a vital, imminent factor to repair. However girls, I really feel like usually are extra hesitant to speak about it or really feel like one thing’s improper with them and really feel disgrace round it. And to your level, I didn’t notice it was that drastic of a statistic, however for a lot of girls, simply penetrative intercourse usually isn’t sufficient, however that’s one thing that they really feel unhealthy speaking about or they really feel like they’re not regular due to that. And so I feel opening the dialog and letting them notice that there are alternatives and issues that may assist a lot, however even simply beginning that dialog and taking that disgrace and that societal notion away from it’s such an vital first step for girls. And I’m so glad we’re in a time when there are issues like this obtainable and we’re beginning to lastly have this dialog.
Dr. Bawa: Completely. Now I get in bother typically on my social media although. I’ve very dignified posts. I’m not displaying something that’s express. I imply, my posts should not pornographic, however even Instagram and Fb will typically take my posts off as a result of I discussed intercourse or one thing sexual. Now, I’m a medical physician, I’m not doing something inappropriate, however there may be disgrace even to that extent. Now let me let you know one thing completely unbelievable. I made a decision to take my youngsters on a trip and shut the workplace for every week and my assistant went on a trip along with her household. We consider in having a life at Bawa Medical, we’re allowed to go on trip. We closed down our workplace and we obtained an answering service to reply our calls in order that sufferers may at the very least make and alter appointments whereas we had been gone for simply 5 enterprise days.
Are you aware that I obtained a name as soon as I used to be already in one other city from my answering service and so they mentioned to me, “Sorry, Dr. Bawa, we all know we talked to you and we set this entire account up, however we can’t reply your calls as a result of some individuals name for vaginal rejuvenation, and that’s an inappropriate subject.” I mentioned, “Are you severe? Vaginal rejuvenation is inappropriate?” We’re not calling a porn channel, we’re not calling, you realize, “Hustler” or “Playboy.” These are, you realize, individuals calling the physician’s workplace. Why is that this taboo? They usually mentioned, “Effectively, it’s embarrassing and it’s inappropriate.” I mentioned, “What about vaginal well being is inappropriate to you?” And these had been girls telling me this. So, I used to be horrified, horrified that in at the moment’s day and age, within the 12 months 2021, my answering service decides to not take my calls as a result of I provide vaginal rejuvenation and that’s offensive to them. So there must be a mindset shift right here.
Katie: I agree. That’s type of astounding that sufferers contact their precise physician a couple of medical drawback…like, to me that might be the identical as like just like a pregnant lady making an attempt to name her OB and being advised, “Oh, I’m sorry, we will’t discuss that as a result of your vagina is concerned.” Like, that’s astounding to me.
Dr. Bawa: I simply…you realize, my head was spinning. I nonetheless keep in mind I used to be getting out of a cab in Philadelphia and I mentioned, “What a part of that is inappropriate? What a part of that is unhealthy? Please clarify to me.” I actually requested the girl, I mentioned, “Ma’am with all due respect, do you’ve got a vagina? Do you ever discover that you just need assistance from a health care provider in your vagina? I don’t count on you to reply that query,” I mentioned to her, “however how will you deny girls the chance to make appointments for his or her vaginal well being?” So, I could offer you a small instance of the answering service, however it signifies a much bigger situation. It’s not okay to speak about it normally. Why? We’re all ladies and men, I imply, sexual well being is vital. We’re all in a state of affairs the place we’ve the precise to have good, intimate wellness and to not be advised that it’s unhealthy or soiled or upsetting to the typical one who’s listening to us. Why is it upsetting to individuals? What are we speaking about that’s inappropriate?
If it’s okay to speak about cardiac well being, why is it inappropriate to speak about sexual well being? Why is intercourse a grimy phrase? If it wasn’t for intercourse, you and I might not be alive at the moment. It’s not essentially a foul factor. And why ought to we be denied high quality of life? A great intercourse life results in a greater relationship, results in a greater high quality of life. In case you don’t dribble urine whenever you train, you aren’t gonna have higher cardiac well being. I imply, it’s a much bigger situation than simply about your vagina and your bladder.
That’s why I say that what we do at Bawa Medical is so transformational as a result of we rework lives. And that’s why I feel that this must cease being such a taboo subject, that Instagram must cease deleting my posts once I discuss it, that YouTube must cease sending me, you realize, little emails warning me concerning the content material I’m placing out. Why am I being referred to as an issue baby as a result of I’m specializing in an issue that we’re all dealing with? So, a lot of this, there must be a shift in how we take into consideration this. It must be okay to speak. And that’s why I’m so joyful you’re speaking about it.
Katie: Effectively, and also you’re so proper. I feel that the dialog is so vital. And for girls simply to listen to that simply because these issues are frequent, it doesn’t imply they must be regular, or definitely that they must expertise them. I’ve had six infants, 5 of them got here out vaginally and I don’t dribble urine once I train or bounce on a trampoline or sneeze. That doesn’t must be a factor. I feel many ladies assume that’s only a factor that occurs when you’ve got youngsters, however it doesn’t must be. I feel beginning the dialog is step one towards it.
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And in addition a theme from this entire interview has been the mindset piece. And I feel that’s additionally an space the place there’s a lot alternative for all of us, however particularly girls relating to these subjects actually to have the ability to develop and enhance as a result of there’s a lot tied up in that.
And I’ve a observe in my present notes that should you had been going to provide a TED Discuss, it will be on why you shouldn’t let adversity beat you down and that mindset piece. And I like that regardless of all of your experience within the medical world, that that’s the factor that brings…is crucial to you. So I’d love to listen to a bit bit extra about that as a result of I feel you’re proper, mindset permeates by way of the whole lot and is so, so vital. So, I might simply love to listen to a bit little bit of your perspective on that, having been by way of adversity and never letting it beat you down.
Dr. Bawa: You realize, the whole lot about who I’m at the moment has been as a result of I made a decision to beat adversity. I used to be a sufferer of…and I don’t discuss this often, and I’m going to attempt to not choke up about it as I discuss it, however abuse, abuses and…and right here I’m going once more. Abuse is one thing that’s a giant deal. Abuse is one thing that goes throughout all academic, monetary boundaries. I used to be a sufferer of loads of emotional, home abuse and ultimately bodily abuse as properly. And also you wouldn’t assume that a health care provider in my state of affairs would take care of that, however I did. I overcame that. I’m not in that state of affairs anymore, it lasted a few years. I gained’t go into a lot element about it, however the level is it was a couple of mindset. One thing needed to change and I made a change. Most cancers, one thing needed to change, it couldn’t simply be about illness. It couldn’t simply be about vomiting. It couldn’t simply be about dropping hair. I needed to make it one thing that helped me turn out to be a much bigger particular person, a greater particular person. And I had to make use of my most cancers and my adversity to be a greater physician.
So, I’ve determined that it doesn’t matter what occurs to me in life, I’m going to make use of something unfavourable that occurs to me to assist me develop in no matter form or type that could be, to indicate my sons, who’re my world, that life just isn’t concerning the negativity that occurs to us, it’s about what we select to do to rework it. And that’s why I feel that if I used to be to ever give a TED Discuss, I hope to sometime, you by no means know, it will be about beating adversity. Like, I discussed about Miss Florida, it was by no means a couple of pageant. It was a a lot greater factor than only a pageant. It was about redefining mindset of a most cancers affected person. It was about redefining the thought of magnificence in most cancers as a result of most cancers just isn’t alleged to be stunning, proper? That’s not how we’re raised to consider it. Most cancers is one thing that makes you lower than your self. You lose your hair, you lose your pores and skin, you achieve weight, you drop pounds, however both manner, you’re not at your greatest. So we assume that meaning we’re not stunning. No, you’re simply as stunning if no more so as a result of now you’ve got overcome yet another factor. So, adversity is one thing that helps me dwell a greater life. It doesn’t make sense, it’s virtually oxymoronic when you consider adversity and higher life, however that’s how I select to see it. Adversity for me is a chance for additional progress.
Katie: I totally agree having been by way of trauma in my previous as properly, I can now…I feel it takes some work and emotional shifts to get there, however I can now look again and have gratitude for all the teachings that got here from that and the issues that it allowed me to do and such as you, to assist different individuals by way of that have and thru that story. Identical factor with my thyroid. I by no means would have cared a lot for well being had I not been given a purpose. And I’m so grateful that that shift occurred. I feel you’re completely proper that that mindset piece is so vital and that it isn’t what occurs to us, it’s how we select to interpret that, reply to that, and develop from that or not as a result of we definitely all the time have that selection as properly. For me personally, one of many books that was useful in that was referred to as “The Untethered Soul,” and it helped me to course of a few of these feelings. And that’s one other query I like to ask at this level in interviews is that if there’s a guide or quite a few books which have had a profound affect in your life or your journey, and in that case, what they’re and why?
Dr. Bawa: I feel a guide that all the time comes up in my thoughts once I’m requested a query about books or a guide that has modified me is a guide referred to as “Outliers.” Outlier is a guide written by Malcolm Gladwell about achievement and failure and what defines a winner, how the winners are often outliers on the tip of that spectrum a technique or one other, and what number of instances it’s a must to do one thing to succeed, to turn out to be good at it. And I feel that it’s a lot about perseverance and about rising above the typical, above the norm that I feel is a guide that actually helps me proceed my journey in direction of self-improvement, in direction of attaining excessive requirements. I’m a excessive achiever. It doesn’t matter what I do in life, I don’t settle for mediocrity. Mediocrity to me is a four-letter phrase. “It doesn’t matter what you do,” my father as soon as mentioned to me, once I was about 5 years outdated, “if you wish to be a chef, have Michelin stars after your title. If you wish to be a health care provider, be the easiest you may be.” So it’s not about what you do, it’s about excelling at it. You realize, if you wish to be any person who does desserts for a dwelling, be Sylvia Weinstock. There’s greatness to be achieved in the whole lot. In order that’s, you realize, one thing that I feel “Outliers” helped me define in my very own life.
Katie: That’s stunning. I like that. And I’ll, after all, put hyperlinks to your follow and to some put up regarding a few of the subjects we’ve talked about at the moment for any of you guys listening, particularly if you’re within the Florida space and need to discover Dr. Bawa and study. These hyperlinks will probably be there. However any parting recommendation for our listeners at the moment, whether or not it’s on mindset or well being or any of the subjects we’ve mentioned?
Dr. Bawa: I feel if I may truly give two items of recommendation should you’ll let me, I feel I’d prefer to say two issues. Firstly, girls, please go get examined, do month-to-month exams. They’re not simply one thing in a textbook, they save lives. They saved mine. So be higher advocates for yourselves, that is vital. If there’s one thing improper, go discover assist. And in case your physician blows you off, blow the physician off, discover one other physician who will take heed to you. Secondly, I might say, I consider in high quality of life, be it in your sexual well being, be it in what you see whenever you look within the mirror. In case you’re not joyful together with your hair, do one thing to make your hair higher. There may be assist on the market. In case you’re not having the perfect intercourse of your life, do one thing to make your self have the perfect intercourse of your life. Whether or not it’s balancing your hormones, whether or not it’s doing one thing like FemiWave, whether or not it’s, you realize, doing one thing nutritionally. No matter it’s that you just’re not proud of, don’t be complacent. So lots of my sufferers say, “Effectively, I’m not that unhealthy but.” That idea is senseless to me. Why would you wait until that time? Why would you wait until your life within the bed room is an entire catastrophe earlier than you make it higher?
Why not go do one thing like FemiWave, for example, the place it’s obtained no downtime, it’s not painful? Do one thing for your self. In case you’re having points together with your hormones and also you’re having sizzling flashes, converse to your physician about optimizing your hormones. Do this. So, I feel, dwell your greatest life, no matter meaning to you. In no matter form or type you’ll be able to elevate your existence, do it.
Katie: I like that. And I feel that sums up loads of what we talked about at the moment and is an ideal place to wrap up. However I’m very grateful in your time at the moment. I’m very grateful that you’ve recovered, and also you’re thriving, and that you just’re serving to many different individuals do the identical. Thanks for being right here.
Dr. Bawa: Thanks a lot for having me. This was fantastic.
Katie: And thanks as all the time to you, guys, for listening, for sharing your most precious belongings, your time and power, and a focus with us at the moment. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”
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