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Katie: Hey, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com, and wellnesse.com. That’s wellnesse with an E on the tip. And this episode is all a few new instrument I’ve been utilizing for each motion, stress reduction, and respiratory. It’s known as Qi Gong, and I’ve not too long ago met somebody, named Lee Holden, who has been instructing this for 28 years, and I used to be actually excited to have him on right here to elucidate it to you guys. He first found Qi Gong after almost shedding his skill to stroll in a sports activities harm and these power practices healed his physique actually shortly and let him return to athletics in a short time. And so, he determined to commit his life to learning and instructing these practices. And he’s now referred to as the accessible Qi Gong instructor, and he has taught tens of millions of individuals this on PBS, by way of DVDs, and thru books as properly.
And as we speak, we undergo what Qi Gong is and the way he discovered it, the way it impacts our bodily and emotional states, his personal restoration, how he used this instrument himself, why nearly 90% of medical doctors’ visits are stress-related, and the way issues like Qi Gong and even simply respiratory and meditation can have such a profound bodily impact, and a lot extra.
I’m actually excited for this as a instrument. I feel issues like this have been actually useful to me after I was recovering from autoimmune illness and in my intense weight reduction section as a result of I used to be being very mild with my physique, and practices like this allow you to get motion, and apply your respiratory, and discover a calmer internal house with out placing a variety of demand on the physique, particularly if it’s going by way of any bodily challenges on the time or simply wants time to get well.
So I hope that you’ll get pleasure from this interview as a lot as I did, and I hope that you just’ll try a number of the sources from Lee which can be talked about within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. Like I discussed, I’ve simply began utilizing Qi Gong as a motion apply, and I’m actually having fun with it, and I’d be curious to listen to from any of you who resolve to strive it as properly. So let’s soar in and meet Lee. Lee, welcome. Thanks for being right here.
Lee: Hey. I’m so excited. Thanks, Katie.
Katie: I’m excited, too. I bought to fulfill you in individual not too long ago and have a extremely enjoyable dinner dialog, and knew instantly I needed to share you on this podcast, and likewise selfishly be taught extra myself, as a result of we solely had a pair hours to talk, and I’ve been delving into your work and wanna continue learning. So, to start out overseas, I feel this can be a idea I wasn’t that conversant in, I had heard of, and didn’t actually know a lot about till I met you. So, to start out actually broad, are you able to form of clarify what qigong is?
Lee: That may be a good query. You understand, generally I say the toughest half about qigong is the right way to spell it, as a result of it’s spelled, Q-I-G-O-N-G. “Qi” means power. It’s your life power power. And “gong” merely means to work with. It’s a talent at working with life power power. Now, what’s life power power? It’s the whole lot. It’s the power of your physique, like your well being, your vitality. How a lot power do you’ve, proper? It’s your feelings. What are we feeling? What’s the high quality of your power? So, there’s an enormous distinction between any individual who’s stressed, offended, pissed off, and agitated, to any individual who’s blissful, at peace, in a joyful state. That’s a distinction in high quality of power, and I feel all of us can perceive what that’s like.
After which there’s the power of our thoughts. What’s the standard of our ideas? What are we excited about? After which, how do these all affect one another? How do our ideas affect our feelings? How do our feelings affect our our bodies? And that’s the talent, the “gong,” of working with life power power. So, actually, it’s a apply of working with all of your self in life. You understand, generally I inform folks “qi” means aliveness. It simply merely means this power that retains us alive. It’s pointing on the route of who we’re, and who we’re is mysterious. As a result of we nonetheless don’t know the way the center continues to beat. What begins the center beating within the first place? What’s this mild in our thoughts after we shut our eyes we are able to see pictures? We’re very mysterious, energetic beings. And that’s what qi actually means, and the way can we optimize it so we are able to lead blissful, wholesome, fulfilling lives.
Katie: And I’ve a sense I’ll find yourself sharing a few of my story, too. I’ve shared a bit of bit on this podcast earlier than. However I really feel like within the Western world, we’re usually extra educated on the bodily aspect and the medical aspect. And I actually have been by way of my very own journey of realizing simply the significance of the connection of the energetic aspect, and the emotional and religious aspect. I’d love to listen to a bit of bit extra about your story, and the way you bought into qigong and into Jap drugs as properly.
Lee: Fantastic. You understand, it began with an harm. You understand, generally these adversities in life lead us to some wonderful new paths. You understand, I used to be a collegiate soccer participant. I used to be simply beginning. I felt, you already know, wonderful, so enthusiastic about my season developing, and on the second sport, any individual took out my legs. I landed on my tailbone, simply utterly put my again into spasm, ruptured some discs. And the medical doctors mentioned I used to be out for the season. You understand, I had the cortisone pictures, I took the painkillers, and the ache truly didn’t go away, nevertheless it did give me a stomachache. And I had this horrendous stomachache from the painkillers, and I used to be like, “There’s gotta be a greater manner.”
And after I was a child, I studied martial arts, and I remembered vividly this martial arts grasp. He broke an enormous stack of bricks, and he instructed me that the best way he did it was with qi. And I mentioned, “Oh, I wanna get me a few of this qi.” I went again dwelling, and I noticed this man, and he gave me acupuncture. He put some needles in my again. He confirmed me some qigong workout routines. He confirmed me the right way to stretch. He confirmed me the right way to deliver power to that exact space. It was the qi that was gonna assist to heal the physique. And actually, in two or three remedies, I used to be 95% higher, and I used to be taking part in once more. And after I was taking part in, earlier than each sport and earlier than each apply, I’d do these unusual workout routines. My teammates have been like, you already know, teasing me and stuff like that, however they began doing them, too. And, you already know, it was actually a catalyst for me. I used to be like, “I wanna do that. That is one thing I wanna do. I wanna train folks how to do that,” as a result of I wasn’t seeing anyone studying these expertise. And as I delved into it a bit of deeper…you already know, on the time, I used to be learning psychology at UC Berkeley.
So, two years into learning psychology, I hadn’t discovered one method on the right way to make anyone really feel any higher, and as I began to review qigong practices, and Jap philosophy, and meditation, every method was designed to make you are feeling extra linked to the second, to who you might be, and the right way to rework, you already know, ache, rigidity, tightness, stress, anger, frustration, again into one thing that feels actually good, again into therapeutic power, again right into a state of internal peace, or contentment. And so I simply mentioned, “That is what I wanna do.” So after I graduated from faculty, I used to be employed as a ghost author by one of many world’s foremost authorities at the moment on qigong, Jap philosophy, and I did about 20 journeys to Asia, and I wrote about eight books for him. Alongside the best way, I’d cease in China, and Japan, Indonesia, and research with numerous masters, and form of put all of it collectively and say, you already know, “How can I share this with my mates on the soccer group? How might I share this with folks in Silicon Valley, employees, mothers and dads, mother and father? Individuals might use this info, these strategies, to make their lives higher.” And that was what I used to be obsessed with.
Katie: Yeah. I’m curious for those who encountered skepticism alongside the best way on that, as a result of I’ll admit, for a few years, I’d have been skeptical of lots of this stuff. And I did all these bodily issues with the nutritional vitamins, and the dietary supplements, and weight-reduction plan, and all of that, attempting to repair my well being issues, and for me, it wasn’t till I addressed the internal aspect, and form of bought my physique in alignment. It adjusted to match my religious, emotional internal image with out almost as a lot effort as I had been attempting to place into it after I was simply addressing the bodily aspect. However I noticed that is considerably a brand new idea. I do know you’ve largely introduced this to the Western world, and I offer you a variety of credit score for that. However I’m curious, do you continue to encounter skepticism, or perhaps individuals who simply don’t perceive? As a result of it, I feel, will be onerous to wrap your head round when it doesn’t really feel as tangible as, like, taking a painkiller, as an example, or, you already know, one thing we are able to simply goal. So, I’m simply curious for those who nonetheless encounter that.
Lee: Completely. And, you already know, I really like that. Truly, I really like that wholesome skepticism. Skepticism with an open thoughts, as a result of no matter system, no matter paradigm you’re taking a look at, Western, Western drugs, analysis, quantum, Jap, we at all times run into the mysterious. We don’t know. You understand, we’re studying new issues every day. And what’s thrilling about our time is that is historic philosophy, this Jap drugs, and Western analysis are all coming collectively. It’s an enormous convergence proper now. We’re beginning to discuss the identical factor from two totally different paradigms. And I feel this can be a very thrilling time, the place we are able to show, or we are able to objectively take a look at, Jap strategies and see their relevance.
Now, only a fast story. So, I’m an acupuncturist now. You understand, flash ahead from my story, you already know, 15 years. This spouse brings her husband in to see me, as a result of she had a variety of success with acupuncture. She brings her husband. Her husband’s an MD. He’s like, “Simply so you already know, I don’t imagine in any of these things, however my spouse gained’t cease speaking about it, ‘You gotta go see Lee. You gotta go see Lee.’ So I’m simply right here to appease her. You don’t even should do something. I’m simply gonna lie on the desk.’” And I mentioned, “Properly, when you’re right here, why don’t I simply put some needles in?” He had shingles, so he was in great quantity of ache. You understand, I put in about seven or eight needles, got here again, you already know, half-hour later, took the needles out. He was like, “Thanks. You understand, this isn’t gonna do something.” However every week later, he comes again in. His spouse was form of smiling, and I mentioned, “Okay. Let’s deliver him again.” So he comes again to the room, and he goes, you already know, “Simply so you already know, I nonetheless don’t imagine on this, nevertheless it’s the one factor that’s working.”
So, you already know, there’s a hurdle in our minds. And also you mentioned it, Katie. You mentioned, you already know, we actually are centered on the target, on the issues, on the fabric actuality, however there’s one thing behind the scenes. You understand, taking a look at Western drugs is like trying on the home equipment in your own home, and taking a look at Jap drugs paradigm, you take a look at the wiring, on what the facility is to these home equipment. So, for instance, we have now our cardiovascular system, our respiratory system, our digestive system. Properly, all of those methods want energy, and that was known as qi. It’s these invisible power networks known as meridians, that energy up the whole lot else, and that power is said to each facet of your self. In order that’s why your ideas very a lot affect your bodily actuality. That’s why your feelings are one of many key components to well being and vitality.
And also you’re not alone in your expertise, as a result of most individuals attempt to work with a bodily downside by taking a bodily substance, you already know, painkillers. And what occurs, they will work, however they’ve unwanted effects. And we’re not addressing the basis trigger. So, in Chinese language drugs, they are saying, “Let’s handle the basis trigger.” What’s the root trigger? Usually, some form of emotional stress, a way during which we’re excited about our life in a disconnected manner that influences the physique. Now, right here’s an excellent instance of how Western analysis is available in. Now, Western analysis says, “How influential is stress on our bodily well being?” As a result of earlier than, we mentioned, you already know what? Emotional stress has no affect in your bodily physique, regardless that we as folks intuitively know that after I’m stressed, one thing goes haywire in my physique. So that they checked out this, as a result of they needed to grasp, by way of firms, if stress was making their employees much less productive. And, actually, it does, and it does tremendously. Now, after we take a look at stress analysis, we are saying 89% of major physician visits are stress-related. Which means nearly 90% of why you go to the physician, some bodily downside has its roots in stress.
They are saying, “What about genetics?” Genetics is often the factor that we have now to worry, as a result of if my mother and father had it, and their mother and father had it, then I’m prone to get it. Properly, genetics is simply about 5% of the the reason why we have now one thing. So, a complete new physique of analysis on epigenetics, it’s the stress that activates the genes that creates that actuality in our bodily. Clear the stress, these realities don’t manifest. And so, stress was the basis reason behind a variety of issues. How can we, because it’s mentioned in qigong, rework stress into vitality? And that’s that transformation, it’s our skill to cope with stress, or to interrupt the behavior of disturbing pondering and disturbing responses. Now, qigong’s gonna ask you a query. How do you reply to life with leisure, versus stress, rigidity, and tightness? As a result of leisure is a a lot larger degree of talent than responding with stress. Now, we are able to all ask ourselves, “Hey, after I get stressed, what do I do?” Normally, we maintain our breath, we tighten our neck and shoulders, and we get a variety of rigidity and tightness in several areas in our our bodies. In order that’s our talent set, breaking the cycle of stress within the first place, or, after we discover that we’re getting stressed, how can we rework it again into vitality? As a result of power can at all times be shifted from one state to a different.
Katie: I’d love to speak a bit of bit extra perhaps concerning the specifics and the way you do this with folks. I do know we bought to speak a bit of bit about this in individual, and likewise perhaps the thought of how does this work, perhaps the acupuncture aspect, for those who might form of delve into that. It’s thrilling to see, such as you, I’m seeing this within the analysis. It’s humorous to me that we now want science to inform us that stress is dangerous, or that stress impacts the physique, however we’re seeing a lot of it. And also you talked about the power aspect. I’ve learn books like “The Physique Electrical” that discuss how the physique is an electrical, like, it’s an electrical physique. And so it makes full sense that nerve impulses and feelings are going to have an effect on that. And it’s additionally, you already know, we’re seeing the analysis on how meditation, as an example, will be so profound. And I really feel like qigong is one other wonderful instrument I’m simply now studying in that toolkit. However are you able to stroll us by way of form of, perhaps, to assist folks wrap their head round how that course of works within the physique?
Lee: Yeah. You understand, qigong is like meditation, it’s like yoga, it’s like train, and it’s additionally power work. So that you get all the advantages of meditation, yoga, train, and power work in a single apply, and if you mix it, there’s one thing that occurs. There’s an alchemy to this apply, the place we really feel extra holistic, and that is key to our well being and concord. We really feel separated inside ourselves, and it’s mirrored in our medication, it’s mirrored in our existence. For instance, if we have now emotional stress, we go see a psychologist. If we have now ache or issues in our physique, we go see the physician. However neither one in all these well being practitioners speak to one another. If we have now a religious problem, we regularly go see, you already know, we go to the church. We go see the rabbi. We go to see whoever. However no person is speaking, in order that we don’t see the interconnections. We don’t see the holistic facet of it. So we really feel fragmented. Our minds and our feelings are disconnected. Our feelings and our physique are disconnected. And this creates a way that we’re fragmented inside ourselves. So, this drugs works holistically, as a result of we see the connections to the whole lot, the connection between minds, feelings, and physique. And that creates a profound impact. Once we handle emotional stress. For instance, rigidity in your neck and shoulders releases. You would possibly sleep higher. Since you sleep higher, you’ve extra power.
So the unwanted effects of doing a apply like qigong is a cascade of optimistic results, the place we simply really feel a complete lot higher in our lives. That’s what occurs after we work with power. So, power is prime to who you might be. Take, for instance, the best way we take a look at our our bodies. Our our bodies is a group of fifty trillion cells, and if we take a look at every a kind of cells, they’re made up of molecules. These molecules are made up of atoms. Atoms are the muse of our bodily physique. However after we take a look at an atom, it’s nothing however 99% empty house, a vibration, of fluctuations of power. So, why does it, we really feel like we’re stable, proper? We will contact our our bodies. We really feel fairly stable. Properly, these atoms are shifting at such a excessive frequency, it’s like a fan shifting actually quick. And I heard a scientist mentioned that the electrons transfer at 600 miles per second. I don’t know the way they bought that quantity with the little, you already know, mobile radar gun. However 600 miles per second is a astronomically quick pace. And all these atoms in your physique give this sense that you’re a bodily being, however actually, we’re energetic beings.
In order that’s, after we take a look at it from a Western perspective, we are saying, “Hey, we’re empty house. An empty house of vibration.” We take a look at an Jap energetic perspective, and so they mentioned, “Look, what actuality is, is simply a part of the image,” as a result of your 5 senses solely offer you a bit of little bit of an image, like trying by way of a keyhole and attempting to absorb the entire panorama of the room. There’s way more to actuality than your 5 senses let you know. And that rather more is that the whole lot is power. And that’s what the Jap grasp mentioned. Let’s work with the power to create this cascade of optimistic unwanted effects that create a sense of wholeness, not solely inside your self, however with life basically. And if you really feel entire inside your self, guess what? We deal with one another kinder. We don’t disrupt the power of the planet. We really feel like there’s a concord and a synergy between who we’re, how we present up, our communities, each with one another, with animals, with nature throughout us, after which there’s concord.
Once we really feel separated, we wish only a fast repair, our minds and our bodies are disconnected, and we really feel disconnected from our supply of power, the Earth, nature, and the universe throughout us. So it has deep implications as we begin to work with power. We begin to really feel the interconnections. We begin to really feel the unifications and the wholeness of life, not the separations. And after we really feel separated, we begin to really feel, you already know, emotionally disconnected. We begin to really feel disconnected from one another, and we can also really feel very lonely, down, or depressed. And I feel it is rather related in our time proper now, after we’re being separated, and individuals are feeling a variety of psychological, emotional points due to a pandemic, and the way can we get reconnected to ourselves to who we’re? As a result of, in actuality, who we’re is kind of magical. It’s fairly miraculous. And to drop into the magic and the thriller of who we’re, abruptly, opens us as much as curiosity, and to our energy and potential that we are able to faucet into.
Katie: I really like that rationalization. And if you’re speaking about atoms, that was such an enchanting factor for me to be taught not too long ago, and the comparability I’ve used to elucidate it to my youngsters is, you already know, for those who had a ball on a string, or, like, a glow stick…youngsters like to spin glow sticks in the dead of night. If you happen to spin it quick sufficient, it appears to be like like a stable circle. It’s not. Nevertheless it appears to be like, and perhaps would even really feel like that on a really small scale, as a result of it’s shifting so quickly. And it’s just a bit bit wild to suppose our entire our bodies are literally this gigantic interconnected ball of motion. The place we consider it as, like, an unchanging stable actuality. And if you consider the whole lot being so energetic within the physique, it is sensible that when you may impression that, even on a small degree, it will have a extremely dramatic shift within the physique.
You’ve additionally talked about stress a pair occasions, which, most people listening are mother and father, so this can be a very related matter. You mentioned nearly 90% of medical doctors’ visits are stress-related. And we all know, in fact, in America, we see all of the stats about the whole lot, all these well being issues being on the rise. We all know that stress is at epidemic proportions at this level. And so, I’d like to, like, speak extra concerning the stress aspect and the way this physique change is going on. I ponder, is it, like, a shift into parasympathetic that permits additionally in a bodily sense, you already know, stress hormones to equalize into correct ranges, digestion to enhance, sleep to enhance, or is it one thing even, a unique degree than that?
Lee: Yeah. I really like that. We’re simply all huge large glow sticks, you already know. We’re made out of sunshine and power. That’s the factor. We’re made out of the identical power that comes from the celebrities, and the starlight is inside us. And so, how can we optimize our power? You understand, qigong was known as the artwork of stopping illness and prolonging life. Stopping illness and extend… So, how can we forestall? We handle our stress. That’s primary. We nonetheless don’t fairly know the way to do this. How can we rework stress into vitality? These are talent units that aren’t taught, as a result of we’re so closely centered on the target world and on the exterior. And we are able to reorient to provide some credence to our inner panorama, to our inner actuality, to are likely to that first, as a result of you’ve energy inside your self. And the place we really feel powerless is commonly within the exterior world. There’s all these issues, environmental, pandemic. We really feel powerless. Once we really feel powerless, we really feel stressed. Our pure response to regain energy is to do one thing inside ourselves. In order that’s why folks tighten up their muscle tissues. That’s why folks begin to maintain their breath, as a result of they’re going into survival mode.
And, Katie, you mentioned it, it’s about your nervous system. How can we change from sympathetic stress mode into parasympathetic leisure mode, “relaxation and digest,” because it’s known as? Properly, there’s some quite simple issues that we are able to do. One, we are able to change our respiratory, as a result of your physique and your thoughts are a mirrored image of your respiratory patterns. The truth is, if you breathe totally different, your thoughts is eavesdropping in your breath, to grasp what’s happening in exterior actuality. Is my life being threatened? You understand, stress response is fantastic in case your life is being threatened. You’re strolling down a darkish alley. You’re head to head with a grizzly bear. You’re standing on the sting of a cliff. That may be a good time to enter stress response. You understand, struggle or flight is there for an excellent motive, however it is rather emphasised. So, your primary precedence, in your nervous system, in your biology, is survival. And we turn out to be so adept at surviving that we are able to look into the longer term, and we are able to say there’s attainable risks in these future eventualities. And we deliver these risks again to our current second. Though we’re completely protected proper now, we’re gonna challenge our minds into the longer term, “What if this dangerous factor occurs? What if the inventory market crashes? What if this? What if that?” And we deliver it again into the current second, and we take all that stress, and we internalize it.
What if we might look into the longer term and say, “I’m gonna deal with all these thrilling, fantastic issues that occur”? In qigong, we are saying, “The place the thoughts goes, power follows.” And the place the thoughts goes, if we glance into the longer term, and we are able to begin to say, “That’s what I’m impressed to do. These are the thrilling issues that I’m gonna begin to visualize occurring,” we deliver again a complete totally different form of power into our current second.
So, hardwired, in your nervous system, survival mode, and it’s very turned up. We’re very keyed and turned as much as survival mode. That’s why we take a look at unfavourable. That’s why we are able to take note of unfavourable information. You understand, you look within the newspapers, there’s not optimistic information, as a result of we’re not hardwired to have a look at the optimistic. It’s not even attention-grabbing to us. So we have now to coach it. Happiness could be very low on the listing in relation to survival. So we have now to retrain our manner of taking a look at life, after which abruptly, we are able to begin to domesticate. You understand, power work is sort of a gardener. You’re cultivating power. We have to compost the outdated. We have to put it in the appropriate place, like fertilizer on the bottom. If we wanna develop a backyard stuffed with flowers, greens, and fruit, we have to know the place to place the power. In any other case, we’re taking this compost, and we’re placing it in the home, we’re throwing it at our neighbors, and it’s not helpful in the best way that we’re working with our psychological/emotional power. And after we can put it to use in the appropriate manner, abruptly, we have now an attractive backyard the place we’re feeling wholesome.
You understand, right here’s the important thing in your viewers. You may really feel excessive ranges of power, blissful, robust sense of vitality, and actually linked to your life’s goal or achievement, whether or not you’re, you already know, going to work, whether or not you’re mother and father. I imply, particularly mother and father, as a result of no person realizes how difficult being a father or mother is. You understand, I’ve an toddler and twin 13-year-olds. And that form of gamut, you already know, the challenges of getting an toddler, I imply, you already know, Katie, and having youngsters. Once you really feel centered and energized, you present up as a father or mother utterly totally different than for those who’re depleted and stressed. You understand, after we’re energized, we have now that calm sense of being centered. We can assist to information the power. You understand, they is likely to be preventing, they is likely to be irritated, however let’s imagine, “Hey, let’s simply loosen up.” We will skillfully assist to information the circumstance, somewhat than yelling and screaming and slamming doorways. You understand, that doesn’t really feel good to anyone.
So, what I really like about this type of work is that it interprets instantly into your life fairly instantly, and helps us to be extra skillful at working with our personal power and the power of our households, as a result of being expert in a excessive, form of, peak efficiency state isn’t just for athletes, entrepreneurs, CEOs, professionals. It needs to be peak efficiency for parenting, as a result of that’s the basis of who we’re as a society. I imply, that is so necessary. How we increase these stunning younger kids is so, so necessary. And I do know, for myself, after I really feel energized, and after I really feel centered, I present up a lot in a different way than I do if I’m stressed and depleted. And I’ve been in a position to practice and train mother and father so many talent units that they simply really feel like, “Oh, now I’m having fun with my parenting.” Once we’re depleted, it’s very onerous. We’re simply getting by way of it. And it’s an enormous, big distinction.
Katie: Yeah. Completely. I really feel like for mothers listening, particularly, the mother’s emotional state tends to ripple into the entire household. And I really like that you just introduced that up about, you already know, it shouldn’t simply be CEOs and high-level athletes and entrepreneurs who’re in a position to function on this state of stream. Actually, probably the most impactful folks to expertise which can be the mother and father, as a result of then we’re additionally instructing these tangible expertise to our youngsters, and this has a ripple impact. I additionally love that you just introduced up the thought of, you already know, projecting the thoughts into the longer term and worrying concerning the future, or, it might apply to dwelling previously and rehashing previous stuff. And the necessary level I’ve realized in that’s the physique doesn’t know the distinction. The physique reacts. It doesn’t know the distinction between, like, you’re confronted with a tiger proper now, and also you’re sitting right here ruminating on stress that may occur sooner or later. So that you’re having all these biochemical reactions if you don’t have to.
And so, I feel, like, simply the notice of that may cease, or begin enable you unpack that course of. Such as you, I feel the information is an effective way to perpetuate that stress, if you wish to keep within the state of struggle or flight. And I usually reply the query when folks say, “What’s the one most impactful factor I might do for my well being?” I’m like, “Properly, there’s rather a lot, however flip off the information.” That’s an enormous one. As a result of your physique doesn’t know the distinction between I’m in bodily hazard proper now and different individuals are having this dangerous expertise internationally. And also you don’t get that house for that stress to go away. I’m curious, do you see HRV adjustments, or have they ever studied HRV adjustments when folks implement practices like qigong?
Lee: Yeah. Completely. These are such nice factors, Katie. We’re stressed about our personal lives. Then we activate the information, we take a look at our telephones, and we’re bombarded with what we’d consider as unfavourable power, and unfavourable notion, as a result of, as we understand one thing, it adjustments our biochemistry. Or, one other manner of claiming it, it adjustments your power. Now, stress, by way of Chinese language drugs, qigong, we’ll say it creates stagnation of power. It’s like sitting in visitors if you’re late. That may be a excellent instance of stagnant power, the place stress from the setting begins to infiltrate. However right here’s what you are able to do. You may get extra skillful. Once you acknowledge stress, what I need folks to do is as a substitute of tightening up, I need you to loosen up extra. Once you’re sitting in visitors, if you bought that assembly, when issues are stressing out, your youngsters are going loopy, I need you to loosen up extra. Can I loosen up into this? And might I take a gradual, deep breath? As a result of as you gradual your breath down, that stress in your setting won’t infiltrate your system. So, sure, let’s attempt to restrict the stress that is available in, however we’re in trendy life, the place stress is throughout us. I need you to additionally turn out to be higher at managing and coping with the stress that’s there, so that you don’t should contract, tighten up, and go into that stress mode.
Katie, you talked about HRV, coronary heart fee variability, proper? Coronary heart fee variability is, when that’s excessive, it’s exhibiting that we’re managing life stresses properly. Internally, we’re extra in that parasympathetic state. So, a few my college students, that is some years in the past, they have been a number of the first to market on an app on measuring coronary heart fee variability. So they might deliver it into my classroom. This was again after we might have huge, dwell courses, and all of us bought hooked as much as it. And fairly splendidly, coronary heart fee variability went manner up with qigong apply, manner up. And we haven’t studied it sufficient, however these are the sorts of issues that I feel could be fantastic to start out to have a look at. How can we begin to usher in organizations like HeartMath into qigong apply? As a result of we all know, for those who take a look at HeartMath, they research coronary heart fee variability, they research the center in an in-depth manner. And guess what? Their analysis is exhibiting and pointing to what the traditional masters have talked about from all totally different cultures, from Tibetan Buddhism, to Indian yoga, to Chinese language qigong, that meditation, that power work, the gradual respiratory, the breath work practices, all assist your coronary heart, and that your coronary heart is way more than only a pump that circulates blood.
It’s an incredible instrument, that tunes you to life throughout you, and that they will measure your coronary heart, your specific frequency. They’ll say, “Katie, I’m gonna measure your coronary heart fee,” and it may be 15 ft away from you, and it’s an electromagnetic signature that’s distinctive to you. So, on the house throughout you, that power out of your coronary heart is clearly you, like a fingerprint. And that is fairly wonderful, as a result of it’s not something bodily. It’s your power subject. Similar to the Earth has an power subject, known as gravity, you’ve an power subject, and we tune into that, that coronary heart power, from different folks, and we are able to sense and really feel their feelings earlier than they even begin to communicate. That’s why, you already know, greater than 80% of communication is physique language. We really feel folks, and it’s this coronary heart power that we’re beginning to really feel.
And after we tune into the center, and we are able to work with the center’s power, abruptly, we’re dwelling from and following our bliss, and understanding the right way to dial that coronary heart power into pleasure and happiness, as a result of your coronary heart is sort of a radio receiver. There’s every kind of frequencies out on this planet. Plenty of them are on the channels of stress, frustration, and anger. How can we tune in to that frequency of pleasure, of happiness, of bliss, of internal peace, of inspiration? Properly, we tune into it, as a result of, with these many, many selections on the market, it’s important to take heed to the station that you just wanna be on. And I don’t suppose many individuals know the right way to get their fingers on that dial and switch it. Life is dictating what station and what frequency, what’s music is taking part in by way of your entire system. And infrequently, we’re on a station that we don’t actually get pleasure from. So qigong and these practices of meditation lets you be in contact with the selection maker, to get on that frequency, in order that your physique is harmonious. You’re on a station that sounds actually good. I imply, a variety of us are on, you already know, heavy metallic music, and we don’t wanna be. We wanna be on some clean jazz.
Katie: And I feel usually we don’t even notice we have now the flexibility to alter that. That’s the necessary level that I really like a lot about this. Since you talked about these, like, Buddhist masters and these monks. And whereas I’d, as a mother, fantasize about having the ability to go dwell in a totally silent monastery for a yr, that’s not the truth of life is in motherhood. And I really like that this can be a tangible manner, that doesn’t take all day lengthy, as a result of we nonetheless have the interplay and the realities of each day life. Nevertheless it’s a technique to begin to pull in a few of that consciousness and people advantages, and to show it to our youngsters. I’d like to form of delve into how this can be utilized in a household setting, and particularly with youngsters, as a result of, as you’re talking, I’m like, “Sure, it will be fantastic for us as mothers to have the ability to dwell on this house of pleasure and bliss and peace.” And in addition, are you able to think about a life the place your kids live in a state of pleasure and bliss and peace? And I do know you do that along with your kids. So let’s discuss how this generally is a actually invaluable instrument inside households.
Lee: Yeah. That’s fantastic as a result of, you already know, we are able to’t…I imply, one method is to separate ourselves. We go on a retreat. We go on trip. We get away. You understand, we have now a mother’s weekend away, a dad’s weekend away. You understand, not to mention a yr, you already know, in a monastery, the place we’re, you already know, meditating for hours on finish, and getting away from all of it. I feel the true take a look at, actually, is can we keep relaxed in our dwelling setting? Can we keep centered and, you already know, resourced within the challenges and adversity of recent life? Now, there’s a few advantages from doing that. One is that we problem ourselves. By stress, we get stronger. Now, this may occur. We will get stronger by way of stress if we’re not depleted. So, it’s about nearly like going to the monastery every day, for a couple of minutes. Go to your blissful place. Discover a apply the place you may say, “Hey, mother wants half-hour to do her respiratory, her meditation, her qigong, to recharge and replenish her power.” You then come again into your day extra environment friendly, extra easy, extra centered, extra grounded, and also you’re a greater model of your self, as a result of we’re all not the model we wanna deliver into the world after we’re depleted. So, recharging is likely one of the first steps that we are able to do, and having a recharging, a replenishing apply every day, so to be at peak efficiency as a father or mother.
Now, how can we get our youngsters to do it? As a result of they’re, youngsters, even me, they are saying, “Do we have now to?” “Okay. Come on. Let’s do some qigong.” “Do we have now to?” It’s a bit of little bit of a tough… You understand, I really feel like I’m a Jedi…attempting to be a Jedi Grasp with my youngsters, to attempt to say, “Hey, how do I get them to do wholesome issues? How do I get them off their telephones? How do I get them out in nature? How do I get them maintaining a healthy diet?” And these are all very difficult circumstances to get youngsters to do this stuff. Properly, there’s some easy issues. I usually ask them what they wanna do first. “Hey, what do you wanna do?” “I wanna go play with my mates. I wanna go do such-and-such.” “That sounds nice. Let’s make that occur for you. Right here’s what I’d such as you guys to do. How about you guys get to go play with your folks, however first, we do quarter-hour of qigong?” Okay, nice. Now we’re in a harmonious win-win circumstance. Like, for instance, yesterday I bought them to go on a motorcycle trip within the redwood forest. We stopped at a bench, and we did a meditation. Then they bought to go play with their mates. Typically I really feel like that’s…I simply really feel so, like, victorious after I’ve gotten my youngsters to do one thing actually wholesome, and so they’re into one thing like that.
Now, I do have some qi youngsters applications, and I’m even speaking to public tv. You understand, I’ve an extended historical past of working with PBS, with qigong, and we’re even speaking a few qi youngsters program. And I’m actually enthusiastic about that as a result of it’s true. I really feel like, can we deliver these talent units to our youngsters, when they’re being bombarded, way more than you and I have been, with every kind of issues by way of social media, by way of their mates. And it’s not like we are able to…we are able to’t shelter them from all that stuff. We gotta increase smarter, extra well-adjusted, extra in-tune-with-their-choice-maker kids. And we are able to do this, you already know, as households. And it’s about planting seeds, you already know.
So, each night time earlier than we go to mattress, I placed on a bit of, you already know, five-minute meditation for them. Each morning we stand up, we attempt to do, you already know, 5 to 10 minutes of qigong. It doesn’t should be an enormous, lengthy factor, nevertheless it’s simply these, you already know, reinforcing optimistic issues. And guess what? They take a look at the way you present up, and so they tackle how we present up. So if we’re agitated, stressed, however we’re saying, you already know, a number of the proper issues or the optimistic issues, they may actually observe your state of power. So I at all times discover it extraordinarily useful for us as mother and father to get ourselves in calm, relaxed states, and useful resource states, as a result of they do choose that up. I do know that’s rather a lot, and I do know we don’t at all times present up as our greatest model, and that’s okay. It’s about apply. It’s about saying, “Oh, you already know what? As we speak I bought actually irritated. I bought agitated.” Typically after I do this, I speak to my youngsters, you already know, “Hey, sorry I talked in the best way that I did.” And so they can see the humanness of it, and so they can say, “Oh, it’s okay to express regret. It’s okay to apologize.” And we find out about forgiveness and compassion.
So we have now these sorts of conversations at their younger ages, and I discover that extraordinarily useful and useful. You understand, I really like doing this work with youngsters, and myself, in these difficult circumstances of operating just a few companies, and parenting, and determining the right way to get lunches packed, and the whole lot else, and, you already know, time. However can I keep in these moments and circumstances with gradual respiratory, from my heart, in a relaxed, extra easy stream? And that looks like, you already know, I simply dropped my youngsters off this morning, and I felt like wow, bought the lunches packed, they’d a wholesome breakfast. We did a couple of minutes of qigong. I felt like that was an ideal success. It doesn’t at all times occur, however when it does, I really feel actually empowered inside myself.
Katie: Yeah. And as mother and father, we are able to solely management, clearly, our personal aspect of the equation. The underside line is on the finish of the day, you may’t power a toddler to do something, particularly, for those who suppose you may, strive with a two-year-old. You may’t. But when we alter our aspect of the equation, and we’re extra harmonious, and peaceable, and calm, they may reply to us in a different way than if we’re additionally amped up and careworn. And I feel in relation to getting youngsters to do something, it relies upon a bit of on their ages. Like, with my little ones, all I’ve to do is I do the factor, after which they wanna do it with me. So if I sit down and draw, my youthful 4 youngsters all come draw with me, or if I do qigong, they arrive do it with me, as a result of they’re curious. The older ones have extra autonomy, extra independence. It’s much less of that crossover, however nonetheless, simply, such as you mentioned, doing it and modeling it’s at all times the most important step into getting them to no less than be open to the thought. And I feel, prefer to your level, if we are able to change our personal power and our personal interplay, that additionally…they may reply in a different way, even when it’s simply very delicate over time.
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I’ll make it possible for we hyperlink to your applications, as a result of I’ve simply began doing them. I’ll hyperlink to them within the present notes. However perhaps give us an outline of a few of them, and the way folks can implement them, and likewise another enjoyable tasks you’re engaged on proper now. I do know we’ve talked a few couple.
Lee: Okay. That’s fantastic. You’re talking of two-year-olds. Have you learnt how when you’ve your 2-year-old in your lap, and so they…for no matter motive, they get up actually quick. Properly, my 2-year-old, she’s now 10, however she stood up actually quick, and she or he hit me within the jaw, and I bit my tongue. And so my tongue is bleeding, I’m simply, like, seeing stars, and she or he checked out me, and she or he mentioned, “Would you like me to place some qi on it?” And I used to be like, “Oh, okay. They’re already talking the language of qi already at two.” So, I like simply to introduce, such as you mentioned, simply sprinkle it in, as a result of even your youngsters, they’ll stroll by, and so they’ll take a look at you, and so they’ll suppose it’s form of bizarre. However guess what? They plant the seed, and you’ll speak to them about it, and you will get them to strive a bit of bit. And, you already know, I feel simply introducing, and having these seeds planted, and to have a unique form of language, a language of power, and, you already know, when they’re stressed, to have the ability to take a gradual, deep breath, and simply easy issues, they go a good distance within the lifetime of a youngster, and we don’t even notice how a lot strain is on them.
So, yeah, I feel within the present notes, I feel we have now a pair issues for you. We now have a 30-day problem. As a result of we all know how busy mother and father are. Thirty-day problem is 7 minutes a day. And also you don’t even should do it daily, nevertheless it’s, every routine, for 30 days, is 7 minutes. It’s the identical period of time as your snooze button. You may at all times discover seven minutes when you’re cooking. And these are these seven-minute routines of qigong that simply assist to remodel stress into vitality, to provide you a lift of power, that can assist you along with your respiratory, to provide you a bit of shifting meditation. And I discover that extraordinarily useful, and it creates a behavior.
You understand, I at all times say, for me, I don’t have the time to not do qigong, as a result of after I do qigong, I’m extra environment friendly. It looks like the whole lot flows higher. And I do know to carve out, generally, you already know, half an hour or an hour in your day will be fairly difficult, in order that’s why we created the seven-minute, simply to get folks in contact with that apply. We even have a two-week trial, a free two-week trial to my video class subscription, and also you simply mainly get to take class with me thrice every week. And there’s at all times, you already know, eight courses on that subscription that you just get to strive. You may come dwell, or you may simply tune in at any time when you’ve time in your schedule. And we break that right into a 20-minute routine, or an hour of qigong, and a 15-minute meditation, thereabouts. And so you may dive into form of what suits your day and what suits your timeframe.
And sadly, I’ve to apologize to your viewers, as a result of this apply will be fairly addicting. As a result of after we begin to really feel extra power, we’re like, “Sure. Everyone needs extra power,” and it could actually cost you up with much more power, and it feels actually good. The excellent news is it actually works. The dangerous information is that you just truly should do it. It doesn’t are available only a capsule. And the explanation I like that’s as a result of it’s so empowering, that after we say, “I’ve a headache. My neck and shoulders damage. I’ve digestive points,” qigong is a apply of self-healing. And it’s necessary to do not forget that your physique has great therapeutic energy, and after we get out of stress, we get into leisure mode, your physique self-organizes. It begins to rewire, and it begins to activate that pure therapeutic energy that all of us have inside ourselves. And that’s the attractive factor about this apply. So, we’d love for folks to strive it, that 30-day problem, or simply soar on that 2-week free subscription and are available to class with me, and provides it a strive for your self, and see how wonderful you may really feel if you begin working with your personal life power power.
Katie: It’s at all times enjoyable when it’s optimistic unwanted effects. Like, “Unwanted effects could embody higher sleep, and extra power, and fewer stress,” as a substitute of, like, “Unwanted effects could embody liver failure, loss of life,” and, like, all the opposite belongings you usually hear.
Lee: Your eyes to glow, proper? Yeah. I feel we’d like a qi business that speaks to only what you’re saying.
Katie: Yeah. “Phrases and situations want by no means apply once more.” I additionally love, as a result of that is…to me, it’s a time-saving technique to stack a variety of these issues that perhaps we all know we needs to be doing. Like, we’ve most likely heard we needs to be meditating, we needs to be exercising, we needs to be respiratory. We all know these all have a extremely optimistic impact. And this can be a technique to, in a brief period of time, compound the advantages of all of these, and I’d say bonus factors for those who do it exterior and get daylight and grounding when you’re at it. And particularly for lots of the folks listening, like, I do know a variety of my journey, I used to be in, I had Hashimoto’s for some time, and simply in all of the phases of being pregnant, after which trauma processing, and weight reduction, I used to be being very mild with myself. So I wasn’t doing excessive train. I used to be in a section of restoration, and letting my physique let go of stress. And I really feel like that is such an ideal instrument for that, as a result of it permits you to be mild and help your physique, whereas nonetheless getting motion, and nonetheless coaching your breath to be in a state of decrease stress and of happiness. So that will be my encouragement to all people listening, is to only strive it, such as you mentioned, strive it for 30 days’ apply, and see the way it works in your life, and let your youngsters be a part of you in the event that they’re prepared.
Lee: You understand, you talked about one thing that simply jogged my memory. I used to be on employees with Weight Watchers. They employed me to create their off…”Past the Scale” program, so I labored with them for 2 years. We had an enormous, big worldwide marketing campaign. And what they discovered was that individuals, after they’re much less careworn, after they have mild motion, weight reduction is way simpler. And, you already know, after we take a look at weight achieve, it’s usually one of many primary causes is being stressed. And the clue is in parasympathetic, the title is “relaxation and digest.” Once you’re stressed, power strikes away out of your digestion. Your physique doesn’t digest. It shops it, as a result of, whereas there’s hazard, whereas there’s perceived hazard, your physique says, “We don’t have time to digest. We’re gonna put that power into our muscle tissues,” so folks get fatigue, they achieve weight, gradual metabolism, rigidity within the neck and shoulders, and a variety of ideas of their thoughts.
And what we do with qigong is we reverse all that. You simply reverse engineer, and when you know the way to work with power, you know the way to reverse stress patterns, and put the power in the appropriate place. We deliver power to the middle, you digest higher. The thoughts turns into clearer. Rigidity melts out of the neck and shoulders. And for Weight Watchers, they have been getting these sorts of outcomes, and folks have been amazed. I imply, it was simply a lot enjoyable to go journey across the nation to Weight Watchers facilities, and simply to say, “Hey, take a look at this outcome that we’re getting.” And that was a extremely unbelievable, you already know, case research for me, to work with those that don’t essentially actually wanna go to the gymnasium or to a yoga class and get in spandex, and so they might do that from the consolation of their very own dwelling and get unbelievable physiological leads to a really easy form of apply.
And on the opposite aspect, I work with skilled athletes, as a result of if you’re in peak efficiency, and also you’re doing athletic stuff, you want these relaxation days, you want these restoration days. And restoration days don’t imply simply sit on the sofa with the distant. They must be energetic, and stress-free, so your physique can combine the train that you’ve achieved. So I see it, it actually blends properly. It synergizes with practices like yoga, it’s, with health practices, with going to the gymnasium, nevertheless it provides you one thing extra full. And that’s the magic of this apply, as a result of I don’t see any apply, coaching, stream state, leisure, and power in fairly the identical manner that this historic apply of qigong does. You understand, it’s one of many oldest types of health. It’s about 4,000 years outdated. And extra folks on this planet apply qigong than another type of train. And lots of people apply in China and in Asia, and it’s changing into an increasing number of well-liked all over the world, particularly right here, because it’s rising in the USA.
Katie: Yeah. I really like that it’s getting extra well-liked. And I feel I’ve jokingly in contrast mothers to excessive athletes or Particular Forces, due to the calls for which can be on us always. And people are, a variety of occasions, issues we are able to’t simply change. We will’t simply take three weeks off of our youngsters. They nonetheless want us. However we are able to change how we’re responding to the each day calls for that we have now. And if we are able to shift that and never function from a spot of stress, I’ve discovered no less than, I’m in a position to get a lot extra achieved, and I really feel a lot much less stressed. I really feel extra energetic even, although the identical quantity of issues, or extra, are getting achieved. I feel that’s the half that we actually have energy over. So I really like that you’ve a instrument for doing this at dwelling, for mothers who’re…I’m dwelling with my youngsters more often than not. It may be achieved at dwelling, you may be taught at dwelling, and it’s enjoyable to do with the children. So, I’m actually grateful for you for making this accessible right here on this aspect of the world, regardless that it’s already so well-liked different locations. And as we get near the tip of our time, a pair different questions I like to ask. The primary being if there’s a guide or quite a lot of books which have had a profound impression in your life, and in that case, what they’re, and why.
Lee: That may be a fantastic query. You understand, let’s return to the one of many…that is the second most generally learn guide on this planet. You understand, second, in fact, to “Harry Potter.” It’s truly second to the Bible. It’s the “Tao Te Ching.” Tao, T-A-O, T-E Ching, “Tao Te Ching,” and it was written by a person named Lao Tzu. Lao Tzu was an imperial gardener, and we talked about gardening earlier, this concept of composting. We’re not even positive if he’s a legendary determine, if this guide was written by a wide range of totally different masters. However the “Tao Te Ching” is a collection of virtually poems that assist to steer us into a unique lens, and a manner to have a look at life by way of a unique perspective. It’s a fantastic guide, and you’ll simply choose up and flip by way of it and take a look at it, you already know, and simply take a kind of passages and relate it to your day. As a result of even in historic cultures, they’d stress. And I feel a few of these historic strategies of managing, coping with stress are much more related in as we speak’s life. So the ” Tao Te Ching” is one in all my favourite books for that motive. You possibly can simply choose it up, flip to any web page, and nearly use it like a divination, “What do I have to deal with as we speak?”
And the very first thing within the “Tao Te Ching,” the primary passage, “The Tao that may be instructed shouldn’t be the true Tao,” which I feel is an attention-grabbing sentence to start out a guide with. Hey, something I write in right here, it’s not precisely it, as a result of phrases are a poor type of symbolism to speak about actuality. So he talks about having direct expertise with life. You understand, we’d have the ability to discuss qigong, however till you do it, you don’t actually know what it’s. You would possibly have the ability to speak concerning the style of a strawberry, however till any individual tastes it, they don’t actually know what it’s. So, on this guide, your expertise is related. Your direct connection to the divine, you turn out to be your personal greatest grasp. And the way can we do this? Properly, the guide goes on to speak about a variety of power strategies, and methods to have a look at life in a unique paradigm that basically helps to provide us instruments and sources to handle our on a regular basis life stresses in additional environment friendly methods.
Katie: I adore it. I’ll put a hyperlink to that within the present notes as properly. And any parting recommendation for the a whole bunch of 1000’s of people who find themselves gonna hearken to this?
Lee: Simply, you already know, keep within the stream, guys, keep within the stream. You understand, qigong is about stream state. It’s an historic technique to keep in stream. Now, stream is totally different than stress. Circulate is after we’re within the second, we are able to simply drop in. It’s when this second turns into charged with optimistic power, so these are a few parts. We get extra power, we’re within the second, and we’re relaxed within the second. And we really feel a way of oneness with what we’re doing. Do you ever really feel that manner when, you already know, you’re making dinner, you’re managing this little one, and also you’re managing that, and also you’re speaking to your companion, you bought this factor, and also you’re within the stream, the whole lot’s going fairly properly? It is a very totally different state of affairs than after we’re all stressed, and issues are actually difficult.
And so, what I attempt to lead folks to is the right way to entry stream state, particularly mother and father, since you are so proper that oldsters are like excessive athletes. We now have to be, you already know, a large lens of having the ability to soak up all of the power from round us, and have the ability to handle our personal power, different folks’s power, in one of the best ways that we are able to. And we’re all doing the perfect that we are able to, as a result of all of us need the perfect for our youngsters. And there’s a wide range of methods to do this, however primary, are likely to your personal power first. Let’s clear stress and enhance power. So, qigong, if we might simply put it in a nutshell, much less stress and extra power. And who doesn’t need much less stress and extra power? In order that’s what this apply is designed to do, and I really like giving folks instruments and sources to cost up, to clear stress, and to handle their life with extra easy ease.
Katie: I really like that. You’re proper. Who doesn’t need much less stress and extra power? And I really like that you’ve sources for this. Once more, they’ll be within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. For any of you guys listening while you’re driving or exercising, you will discover all of the hyperlinks within the present notes. And Lee, I’m so glad we bought to talk once more. Thanks for being right here as we speak, for sharing all of this, and for all of the work that you just do.
Lee: Thanks a lot, Katie.
Katie: And thanks as at all times to all of you for listening, and sharing your most precious sources, your time, your power, and your consideration with us as we speak. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you just’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama Podcast.”
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